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<v ->To start with,</v>

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I'd like for you to write down any particular question

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or thought that you have about the topic at hand for today.

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Remember the topic at hand for today is borders,

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walls and immigration.

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<v ->First word was fear.</v>

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Borders are supposed to keep us safe and now I have fear.

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I'm prejudiced.

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I come from a city

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where we didn't have any people of any color

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till I was about 40, up in Wisconsin.

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So yeah, that's the way I was raised.

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<v Scott>Thank you for sharing that, yeah.</v>

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We went through it, yeah?

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<v ->I guess my thing is, they wanna come here.</v>

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They wanna come here for a better life so badly,

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but then they also want to say,

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"Well, do it my old country way."

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<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->You know, I guess I don't understand that.</v>

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<v ->I'll be real quick.</v>

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She pretty much stole the some of my-

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<v ->I'm sorry, I'm sorry Linda.</v>

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<v ->We have the same wavelength.</v>

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Assimilation is very important.

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<v Woman>Thank you so much.</v>
<v ->Thank you.</v>

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I really appreciate you being here.

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Yeah, nice to see you.

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Hey, thanks a lot.

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Appreciate you being here, yeah.

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<v Woman>So what kind of work</v>

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do you actually do on the border?

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<v ->Well, so I live in Ajo.</v>

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<v ->You live in what?</v>

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<v ->In Ajo, I'm a geographer</v>

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but another thing that I do is a lot of volunteer work,

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getting water to people who are dying in the desert,

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searching for people who have become lost

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and have died in the desert.

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There's a lot of effort of civilian groups.

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<v ->But a lot of those have been arrested, right?</v>

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<v ->I was one of them.</v>
<v ->Oh, were you?</v>

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<v ->Yep.</v>

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<v ->In the interest of full disclosure,</v>

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you shouldn't have told us about that.

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<v ->Probably should have told you that first, yeah.</v>

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<v Woman>Thank you.</v>

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<v ->Thank you so much for being here.</v>

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I really appreciate it and thanks for your service, yeah.

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<v Narrator>We turn now to southern Arizona</v>

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where a humanitarian aid volunteer is heading to trial

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for providing food, water and shelter

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to two undocumented migrants.

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Scott Warren of Ajo, Arizona,

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faces up to 20 years in prison

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after being charged with three felony counts

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for allegedly harboring undocumented migrants.

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<v ->People drink from these.</v>

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Migrants as they're crossing through here.

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<v ->Up into here, it'll be a little bit clearer</v>

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whether we found a trail or not, I mean,

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that's the big unknown factor is finding a trail.

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<v ->These geysers are probably key like,</v>

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the people would want to get to for water.

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<v Woman>Great.</v>

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<v Scott>This Scott talking.</v>

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<v Woman>Maco.</v>
<v ->Polo.</v>

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Great.

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T1 network.

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<v Man>Come on [indistinct].</v>

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<v ->Growing up here in Ajo, we were always taught</v>

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whenever you come to the desert, always carry water.

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<v ->Ajo is the first town you reach when you cross the border.</v>

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<v ->I hear a lot of stories</v>

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of people who have died in the desert.

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<v ->Sometimes there will be people passing through</v>

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wanting water.

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<v ->They ask for [speaks in foreign language]</v>

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or a glass of water.

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<v ->You know, I just gave it to them.</v>

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What the hell.

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Ain't supposed to let somebody die of thirst

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or starve to death.

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[speaks in foreign language]

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To us it's normal.

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We've lived with them all of our lives.

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That was never a big deal

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and then the government stepped in,

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made a big deal out of it.

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And now it's a big deal.

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<v Woman>720142.</v>

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<v ->Picking up this trash somebody left on the trail.</v>

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Not yours is it?

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Just tell me, is it yours?

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Not yours.
<v ->Scott Warren,</v>

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no more deaths.

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Your organization released a report

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detailing how US border agents

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had intentionally destroyed more than 3000 gallons of water

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left out for migrants.

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Explain the significance of this.

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The timing that same day.

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<v ->The report was released that morning</v>

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and then agents arrested me that evening.

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United States of America versus Scott Daniel Warren,

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on or about January 17 2018

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at Onio, Ajo in the district of Arizona,

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United States Border Patrol agents

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were conducting surveillance a building known as the barn.

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Two subjects that matched a description

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of two lost illegal aliens

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received the address to the barn

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as a place they could get food and water.

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After finding their way to the barn,

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Warren met them outside and gave them food and water

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for approximately three days.

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It's a scary thing to face these charges,

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but the two men that were arrested with me

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have not and do not receive the same kind of support

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and attention that I've been getting.

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And that's not lost on me either.

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<v ->Stand up, gather around so you can see the maps, okay?</v>

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Okay?

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So you all understand that almost everyone

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who migrates back and forth across this border

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migrates through the urban areas of this border

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through the cities,

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because it's the easiest and safest place to cross, right?

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Except that in 1994,

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the United States decided for the first time

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to secure the border.

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They called it prevention through deterrence.

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So they said step one,

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we believe we can seal off those urban areas from migration,

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and they said step two, when that happens,

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people are going to start to go around the edges, right?

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But they said, now when they go around the edges,

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they will have to go

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through the deadliest areas of the border.

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And they said that will be a deterrent

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to other people trying to cross

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and thereby we will secure the border, got it?

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And they were wrong.

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So this is the result of that strategy.

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Every one of those red dots

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is where human remains have been found.

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[group howling]

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<v ->We're going to trial next week and I'm scared.</v>

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But this isn't just going away.

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We're in this.

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We're in this till the end,

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whatever the end looks like.

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There's this water source

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and then to the south like 15 miles out

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and across the valley,

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there's another water tank like this.

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And I think basically

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why so many people are dying in this area

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is that they're trying to get to here

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and then don't make it.

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<v ->So we can't at this moment say</v>

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exactly what will be prosecuted

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and exactly what will not be prosecuted.

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We're in this really interesting moment in history,

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we're kind of tracking human rights defenders

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increasingly becoming targeted, intimidated,

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harassed and prosecuted by state actors,

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including the United States.

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<v ->I have had over a dozen illegals,</v>

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they ask food, I feed them, I give them water.

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But my question is, can the Border Patrol go in my yard

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and get me?

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Would I be in trouble?

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<v ->So is it my responsibility as a United States citizen,</v>

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to get identification for every person

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I give a glass water to?

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<v ->Can you not put water on the other side of your fence post</v>

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or your property line?

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<v Woman>Then you're at liberty</v>

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and you have misdemeanor [indisctinct].

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<v ->Can you hang it on your fence on the other side?</v>

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Is that legal?

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If it's not touching the ground.

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It's all legal, legal, legal, legal, legal.

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All these details.

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Details.

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Power is in the details.

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<v Man>500 years of legal, legal, legal.</v>

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<v ->When slavery was legal and slaves were running away</v>

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and people were helping them, it was probably illegal.

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In your heart you know what is right to do

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for another human being.

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[group applauds]

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<v ->I know where my personal decision making</v>

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and my personal conscious stand with those things.

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I cannot tell you what the answers are to those questions

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in terms of the legal framework of the US code

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or anything like that.

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Sometimes this doesn't get reported,

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but there were three of us arrested that day.

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It was me along with Jose and Kristian.

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The judge released me on my own recognizance

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after about 24 hours in custody.

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He said, "Yeah, whatever you're not the kind of person

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"that we need to put in jail right now."

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Right now.

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They kept Jose and Kristian in detention

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in order to depose them as material witnesses

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in a case against me.

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And then in exchange for that,

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they very quickly deported them back to the places

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which they had been fleeing for their lives.

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<v ->Do we know those people</v>

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that were deported back to the countries

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to which they had been afraid to live in are still alive?

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<v Scott>I don't know.</v>

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<v ->Before, I see somebody on the road, need some water?</v>

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I go, here.

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Now I won't do it

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because I'm afraid of

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consequences.

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<v ->Everyone and Scott should be innocent.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, I don't think it was right.</v>

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He was just helping someone in need.

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<v ->He broke the law.</v>

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If you do the crime, you do the time.

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<v Woman>Shoe size.</v>

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<v Scott>Shoe size?</v>

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14 or 13.

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<v Woman>Do you have a preference</v>

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between shiny and not shiny?

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<v ->Always non shiny.</v>

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I'm a matte finish kind of a human being.

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This can be okay or like this kind of blue I like.

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I like the black one looks like you're going to a funeral.

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The navy blue looks like you're getting on a yacht.

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<v Woman>This is strategy.</v>

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<v ->Okay.</v>
<v Woman>It's not for you.</v>

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But we want you to look sharp for jury selection.

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<v ->Yeah.</v>

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<v ->I love you.</v>

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<v ->I love you too.</v>

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<v ->So I'll see you really early.</v>

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<v ->All right, so thank you all for coming out today.</v>

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We're here to stand in solidarity with Dr. Scott Warren

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and everybody else who believes that water and food

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are basic human rights.

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<v Woman>Have a good day.</v>

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<v Scott>Thanks.</v>

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<v Woman>Yeah, you got this.</v>

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<v ->You are doing an impressive job of maintaining your cool.</v>

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<v ->Thanks.</v>

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<v ->Humanitarian aid is not a crime.</v>

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It's not only not a crime,

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it's a duty, it's a responsibility.

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<v Woman>Scott Warren, you go on trial today.</v>

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Amnesty is called for all charges to be drafted

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the judges refused to drop the charges.

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Scott, are you prepared to spend 20 years in prison?

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<v Woman>A federal criminal trial in Tucson</v>

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is hatching national attention.

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<v Man>Trial of an Arizona man</v>

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began today in Federal Court.

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<v Woman>Warren has pleaded not guilty to the charges.</v>

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<v Man>If he's convicted, he faces--</v>

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<v Woman>20 years in prison, reporting in studio.</v>

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<v Woman>The legal aspect of this case--</v>

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<v Man>As Martin King said,</v>

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the arc of history is long indeed

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but it always bends toward justice.

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Well, it bends toward justice

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because people keep pulling on that end of the arc.

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<v Woman>And deliberating for five hours still no verdict.</v>

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<v ->When you get to be my age,</v>

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you understand that it's gonna be a lifelong struggle

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and you just gotta keep bending.

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<v Man>Could you get any feel for this--</v>

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<v ->So I'm gonna speak first</v>

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as representative in Scott's legal team.

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Scott Warren remains innocent

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because the jury could not unanimously conclude otherwise.

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The government put on its best case

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with the full force of countless resources

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and 12 jurors could not agree with that case.

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We remain voted today in our--

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<v ->The trial ended in a hung jury.</v>

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So there will be another trial

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and that will happen in November.

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You know, you think of places in the world

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where extreme forms of violence and oppression are used

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to coerce people into doing things or to not doing things,

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and they still do them.

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So, the short answer is,

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I think that people always provide humanitarian aid

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regardless of what the consequences are.