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<v ->I don't know if I'm meant to say this,</v>

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but just between you and me, this was a rejected cartoon.

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<v ->Okay. So I guess you're just making me draw trash.</v>

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<v ->Hi, my name's Maddie Dai.</v>

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I am a professional cartoonist.

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And this is Karen Chee who, you know

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from American television.

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<v ->Thanks for being on here, Karen.</v>

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<v ->Oh yeah, I'm so excited.</v>

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<v ->And today we'll be drawing New Yorker cartoons together.</v>

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I will be teaching her using only verbal instructions.

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I can't see what she's doing.

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She can't see what I'm doing.

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We'll show each other at the end anyway.

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You have to talk about how much dread

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you're feeling on a scale from one to 10.

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<v ->I'm feeling no dread and all excitement to be very honest.</v>

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I'm really stoked.

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<v ->The cartoon we'll be drawing today</v>

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is a desert island cartoon.

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<v ->Okay.</v>

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<v ->So what do I feel at classic New Yorker trope?</v>

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There are two men on the island

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and a stack of books, 10 books.

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One of them is approaching the man who is reading them

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and saying something to him.

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<v ->Okay.</v>

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<v ->Have you ever been marooned Karen?</v>

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<v ->No, I honestly would love to be marooned safely.</v>

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I'd love to be marooned

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for like three to five days with enough food.

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I guess what I'm saying is I want alone time.

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On like a nice tropical island.

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I'd like to visit Hawaii is what I'm talking about.

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<v ->I'm going to start with the shape of my island.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, same. That's what I was going to do.</v>

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I think I immediately made my island way too small.

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I'm just realizing the paper is so big.

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<v ->That's what erasers are for.</v>

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<v ->You know what?</v>

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No, I'm going to keep it small just to show the vastness

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of the ocean around it.

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<v ->Yeah. Solitude.</v>

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<v ->Yes.</v>

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<v ->I'm now going to draw my horizon line.</v>

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<v ->Mhm, I'm not going to have one.</v>

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<v Maddie>Suspended in space.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, yeah, yeah.</v>

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<v ->That's cool.</v>

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Emma Allen once told me that frequently

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she has to give notes

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that the palm trees on the desert island are to phallic.

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<v ->Oh, too phallic?</v>

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Well instead of a palm tree, I was drawing a huge penis.

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So, you know, it'll be fine.

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You know, I can't remember what the like leaves

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on a palm tree.

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It looks like large fronds.

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<v ->I always go for like one main stem</v>

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and then spikes extending from that.

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<v ->I don't really know how to draw what you said</v>

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but that sounds really awesome for you.

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<v ->I think it can be like a star with many points.</v>

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<v ->Okay. Yeah.</v>

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This is my tree.

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And honestly it looks really beautiful.

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I've put coconuts on it.

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<v ->Oh really?</v>

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Oh, I didn't even think about that.

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<v ->But my coconuts are dead cause it's deserted</v>

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so they all look really sad.

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<v ->Totally, totally.</v>

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So you grew up in California?

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<v ->I grew up in California.</v>

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I grew up in the Bay area.

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I did take drawing classes when I was very little.

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<v ->Really?</v>
<v ->Yeah.</v>

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But I wasn't very good at them.

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<v ->The sad thing about art education is that like</v>

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they kind of tell you you have to be good

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at drawing kind of technically, as I say, you know

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sometimes kind of the worst, the better.

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<v ->Do you actually think that or are you being nice to me?</v>

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<v ->No I actually kind of think that a little bit.</v>

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I mean, I just think that a lot of people are dissuaded

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because like they draw a head strange

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but I actually think it's exciting to draw a head strangely.

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I actually remember a lot in like art class

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for some reason, this like really stuck with me,

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like the rule of halves where you draw a huge oval

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and then the teacher would be like the

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eyes are halfway down the face.

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Okay. I know that might seem real

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for me because I have a huge forehead.

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<v ->I also have a huge forehead!</v>

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<v ->Solidarity forever.</v>

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<v ->Okay. So there should be 10 books, right?</v>

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One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

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Do you like when people offer suggestions

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for cartoons or is it like very annoying?

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<v ->Oh, I like it.</v>

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I like it.

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<v Karen>Oh, nice.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, yeah, yeah.</v>

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I mean, I would say that like, they haven't always been

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that kindly delivered.

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Like I did have this one dude who was like,

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"I saw your cartoon in the New Yorker,"

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and he was like, "and the caption was totally off."

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<v ->Oh no!</v>

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<v ->And he said the one that he thought was better.</v>

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And then he said, but he printed out my cartoon

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and scrubbed out my caption and put his better one on top.

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And I was like, that feels like kind of thing

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you kind of just keep to yourself.

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<v ->Oh yeah.</v>

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Don't tell, that's so weird!

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That's very rude.

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<v ->Very rude. Very rude.</v>

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<v ->Sometimes after I do like stand up</v>

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an audience member will come

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up to me and be like, "I have a better punchline."

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And then they'll say something and

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it's not a better punchline, but it always like

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there's a part of where I'm like

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if it actually were a better punchline

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would I just then get to say your joke on stage?

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Like, I don't understand any of it.

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Yeah. I have the two people and I have the books.

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I have the palm tree and the water.

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I put a little message in a bottle.

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<v ->Oh, love that touch!</v>

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I don't know if I'm meant to say this

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but just between you and me, this was a rejected cartoon.

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<v ->Okay. So I guess you're just making me draw a trash.</v>

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<v ->Do you feel ready to go onto the inking portion?</v>

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<v ->Yes, I feel I've been ready my whole life.</v>

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<v ->I am actually just using an ink pen</v>

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for this section because I can't find my nib.

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<v ->Wait then why, why am I using a nib?</v>

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What?

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This makes me feel like I'm Benjamin Franklin.

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In case anybody wants to see.

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Oh, so I just ink right over where I drew in pencil.

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And then afterwards we erase the pencil?

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Is that?
<v ->That's my strategy.</v>

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So during the pandemic, where did you flee to?

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<v ->I went to South Korea too hang out with my grandparents.</v>

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Our whole family is very close and I was like

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there's really nothing keeping me in New York right now.

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And we're all working remotely so I went to South Korea.

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Living with my grandparents is honestly the best.

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They're like very sweet and very cute.

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And we hug like 20 times a day.

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It's really the best.

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My grandpa, the other day was like blasting music

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from his room.

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And I was like, this is weird behavior and I like went over

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and he was blasting "La Marseillaise,"

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the French national Anthem,

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which is all about like blood and sweat

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and like tearing down imperialism, I think.

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And he was like, "This is my favorite song."

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<v ->That is so amazing.</v>

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<v ->Did you go back to New Zealand at all during the pandemic?</v>

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<v ->I did.</v>

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I did for three months.

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<v Karen>It must have been amazing!</v>

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<v ->It was amazing.</v>

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I mean, it was like completely surreal.

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<v Karen>Yeah.</v>

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<v ->I mean surreal in the sense that like, you know</v>

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you had four weeks of lockdown and then you went, you know

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to a music festival for the rest of, you know,

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like sort of like existed with sweet, absolute sweet bliss.

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So are you excited about moving back to New York?

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<v ->Yeah. Yes and no.</v>

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You know the thing about living in Korea is that like

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because I'm Korean American and everybody

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in Korea is mostly, it's like a very homogenous country.

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It's mostly Korean people.

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looks like me, everybody on the street looks like me.

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which was really genuinely nice.

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I was like, this is how white people

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must feel in America all the time.

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<v ->You're beautiful in every damn nation, Karen!</v>

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I'm actually, I'm half Chinese.

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I actually had this strange experience where

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like I was meeting my family there for the first time.

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I was meeting them at this restaurant in Hong Kong.

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and just like, like a sea of Chinese people.

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And I was like, I actually have no idea what they look like.

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I'm just going to have to wander around this restaurant

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until someone claims this like wondering white girl.

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And then I just looked over

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at this table and was like, "My God, there's my family."

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Like, you know, was like, "There they are!

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Strong foreheads and strong jaws.

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There's my people."

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I'm erasing.

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<v ->Okay. I'm also erasing.</v>

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<v ->Okay. Yeah.</v>

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I actually was just taking cues from

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I was like either she's going really wild

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with the ink or we're in the erasing stage.

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You know, like loosely at the beginning, I said,

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"I will teach Karen how to draw a cartoon."

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And really I left you.

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You're completely a drift out there.

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I did not give an ounce of advice but I just left you to it.

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But to be honest

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you seemed quite confident in your strokes.

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<v ->All right.</v>

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Okay. So now I have water mug and I got a lid to use.

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<v ->Oh yeah, perfect.</v>

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All those takeout containers finally

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having a second purpose.

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<v ->Truly, that is what's happening.</v>

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Do I squeeze this out first?

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<v ->I would do that.</v>

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Yeah. Like on one end of your takeout container

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like kind of dilute it down maybe a little bit.

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Cause she'll be coming pretty thick and fast and strong.

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In her undiluted form.

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We don't necessarily want the sea to be

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like an inky jet black.

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<v ->Yes.</v>

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<v ->But you may want the book covers or the shorts</v>

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of these boys to be-

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<v ->You put them in shorts?</v>
<v ->Shorts? I did.</v>

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<v ->That's actually a really smart idea.</v>

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I gave them long pants and long shirts.

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<v ->I gave them the three basic.</v>

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What are you starting with?

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<v ->The coconuts.</v>

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Okay. I've done my coconuts.

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Feeling pretty smug about them.

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<v ->Do you think one</v>

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of the dudes you drew is hotter than the other?

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<v ->I'm going to say yes, because one</v>

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of them looks nicer and I think nice men are very hot.

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<v ->Yeah. I totally agree.</v>

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Yeah. It's like, you know, like hot men reading

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on the subway, it's just sort of imbues them

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with a certain je ne sais quoi,

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a certain willingness to take on information and retain it

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in their sweet little minds.

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<v ->It is, it is fun how much we are excited</v>

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by the fact that men are literate.

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[both laughing]

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Okay. I'm going to try

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and do a shadow line on this palm tree.

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<v Maddie>Oh hell yeah, totally.</v>

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<v ->Okay, I'm very nervous.</v>

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Okay. Okay.

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I think I can do this.

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Okay I think this is going to be the closest thing

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I'm going to get to a good job.

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<v ->Great. Have you signed it?</v>

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<v ->Oh no, I should do that.</v>

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My nickname at work is Big Dog.

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<v Maddie>Do that then.</v>

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<v ->Yeah. I nicknamed myself Big Dog.</v>

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<v Maddie>And then strong armed everyone into calling it?</v>

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<v ->Truly that is what happened.</v>

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And my coworkers were like, "Okay..."

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All right.

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Okay. I have a couple captions in mind.

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<v ->Me too! Me too!</v>

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My caption is unbelievably long and gets less

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and less funny the more I've been writing it out.

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Oh, help.

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I mean, okay.

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<v ->I bet it's very good.</v>

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It's the original caption, right?

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<v ->Yeah, the original rejected caption.</v>

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Karen, it's the moment of truth.

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<v ->Yes.</v>
<v ->You started this exercise</v>

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with little to no dread and no doom.

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Now we've become enemies, I'm just joking.

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Sorry, sorry.

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We will now be revealing our cartoons to each other.

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Okay. Ready Karen?

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One, two, three, reveal.

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I don't know how to, yours looks great!

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<v ->Oh my God! Yours is so good!</v>

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Wait, read your caption.

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<v ->One guy's idea.</v>

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"Say you had to take your 10 favorite books

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to a desert island, but then you needed some toilet paper.

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Which book would you start with?"

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<v ->That's great! That's fun!</v>

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So I had the person who was not reading

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talking to the person who was reading.

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The person who's says in this one, "You die at the end."

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<v Maddie>Wait that is so good.</v>

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I'm sorry, sorry, your coconut's are dead.

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It's like a hell island.

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<v Karen>It is a hell island.</v>

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<v Maddie>It's like the island in Moana</v>

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that's slowly turning to volcanic Ash.

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<v Karen>Yeah. But they also are, you know</v>

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long sleeved shirt and pants, which is a real choice.

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<v Maddie>I love that.</v>

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He's still wearing shoes in the sand.

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That's such a bold decision to not feel the sand

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between his toes.

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He's like, "I'm gonna keep my boots on."

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<v ->Yours is legitimately beautiful.</v>

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Oh my God.

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It's so good.

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Also the people have such expressive faces

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and the pants are clearly like torn off.

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This is so good.

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I'm also realizing

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that I just didn't quite understand what you meant

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by horizon because I definitely also have one of those.

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And earlier I said, I wasn't going to have one, right?

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<v ->That is totally the horizon line.</v>

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You instinctively knew it should have one.

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I love that.

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Do you feel that you [laughing]

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do you feel you learned anything on this?

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Too high a bar.

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<v ->I think I learned about a lot about you.</v>

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<v ->Yeah, absolutely.</v>

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This was all just an elaborate ruse

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so we could spend a little time together.

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<v ->Yeah. And I have a new increased appreciation</v>

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for the art of cartooning.

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<v ->Thank you.</v>
<v ->That is true, actually.</v>

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<v ->Actually me too.</v>

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It doesn't usually feel this hard.

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<v ->It is complicated.</v>

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<v ->I'm like, I can't believe I do this all the time.</v>

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